you have two law firms. a specific law firm that focuses on issues in washington and then a national security lawyer. these are the seven entities that are backing our commission on presidential debates. these should be supported by civic groups, non-partisan organizations with a real focus on the democratic process. >> it will be interesting to see if there is bottled water on their podiums, or if there is bud light. [laughter] i wanted to go to one of the candidates shut out of tonight's debate, and john anderson. he recently appeared on fox news with neil cavuto. >> colon well to get in those debates. >> very catch-22. right now i am 5% nationally. the fact is, i am not being recognized at 5% nationally. if people did, the overwhelming reaction would be, who the hell is gary johnson? >> what does it take to get into the debates? >> you have to get into the polls. >> the green party earlier wrapped up its convention with its nomination of dr. jill stein and her running mate cheri honkala. stein called her